Die "indische keuken"  - Autor Jeff Keasberry im Gespräch

Fusion-Cooking ist in. Was uns neu und trendy erscheint, hat aber in manchen Kulturen bereits eine Jahrhunderte alte Tradition. Wo sich die Kulturen vermischen, mischt sich auch das Essen. Zum Beispiel in der „indischen keuken“. Die hat mit Indien gar nichts zu tun, sondern bezieht sich auf die kulinarische Tradition der Menschen mit indonesischen und niederländischen Wurzeln, die sogenannten Indos. Der Begriff rührt noch aus der niederländischen Kolonialzeit, in der das heute Indonesien niederländisch-Ostindien genannt wurde, weil die Inselgruppe östlich von Indien liegt.

Streifzug durch die Familienküche

Kochbuch-Autor Jeff Keasberry, selbst Teil der der Indo- Gemeinschaft, schrieb die Rezepte seiner Familie auf. Sein Buch „Indische keukengeheimen“ ist ein Streifzug durch drei Generationen einer ganz besonderen Küchengeschichte. Jeffs Großmutter eröffnete 1954 in Amsterdam das Restaurant Djokja, das als eines der wenigen auch Gerichte aus der „indischen keuken“ servierte und schnell stadtbekannt wurde.

Das Djokja gibt es heute nicht mehr und Jeff Keasberry lebt seit Jahren in Los Angeles. Die Passion für diese ganz besondere Küche ist ihm aber geblieben. Er hat 2014 ein weiteres Kochbuch veröffentlicht, das den Titel „De nieuwe Indische keuken van Jeff Keasberry “ trägt und das Konzept der Mischküche noch weiter entwickelt. Hier finden sich zum Beispiel auch indo-mexikanische Gerichte, denn wer in Kalifornien lebt, der kommt an diesem Einfluss praktisch nicht vorbei. Jeff arbeitet an einer englischen Kombi-Ausgabe der beiden Bücher, die im Augenblick nur auf niederländisch erhältlich sind.

Ich habe mit Jeff Keasberry über die Geheimnisse der „indischen keuken“ gesprochen und er hat mir einige auch verraten!

Interview mit Jeff Keasberry

ETH: You literally were born into a culinary family affair: your grandmother was the owner of the famous Indo restaurant Djokja in Amsterdam. What culinary memories do you have about your childhood?
Jeff: I learned very early in life that food and people are connected. For me food is the key to joy and as we say in Dutch „gezelligheid“. What I learned is that food is a way to express your love. The cuisine I was raised on, the Indo-Dutch cuisine is quite exotic and diverse. The restaurant was considered an extension of our house. There was always food readily available and people to talk about it and enjoy it.

mit freundlicher Genehmigung Jeff Keasbrry

mit freundlicher Genehmigung Jeff Keasberry

ETH: How would you define the „Indische keuken“ or Indo-Dutch cuisine and how would you translate the term into English?
Jeff: The „Indische keuken“ is a cuisine which contains the best of two continents, South-East-Asia and Western-Europe. It refers to the time period of the Dutch East Indies, this is the geographical area now known as Indonesia. It also refers to the people and their culture belonging to that time period before the independence of Indonesia. The term I prefer to use is Indo-Dutch. This term refers to the people of mixed culture, also known as Indo-European and the times of Dutch rule and western culture, which was prevalent for more than 300 years. Most Indo-Dutch people living in the Dutch East Indies had Dutch nationality. The Indo-Dutch food culture contains indigenous Indonesian, Dutch, and Eurasian Fusion cooking styles.

ETH: How important is food for your cultural identity?
Jeff: Food is very important. Food is at the heart of our culture because it tells the story of the people and the traditions, the history behind it and the memories that come with it. Our food is as diverse as we are as an Indo-Dutch community. That’s why you also see the use of the word fusion. Our community adopted the indigenous recipes but we also created a new repertoire of fusion dishes.

ETH: Outside the Netherlands, Indo-Dutch food is not very well known. Can you explain this?
Jeff: The term in the restaurants is Indonesian kitchen. Indo-Dutch cuisine was never named because it is more home-style cooking. It is my mission to name it properly and to get the acknowledgment for its existence and influence on the national cuisines of both Indonesia and the Netherlands.

ETH: Tell us about your grandmother’s restaurant in Amsterdam.
Jeff: My grandmother lost her husband in WWII in the former Dutch East Indies. She decided to leave Indonesia because she felt trouble was coming with the Indonesian fight for independence. So she closed her fashion boutique in Batavia (now Jakarta) and moved to Holland with her sons. First, she started a boutique in Amsterdam next to the Heineken Brewery. In the weekends she would cater for parties because she was a good cook. Then somebody suggested to her to turn the boutique into a restaurant, which she did in 1954. It was one of the first Indo-European, later named Indonesian restaurants in Amsterdam. Back then the majority of Indonesian restaurants were in The Hague, but she was on the forefront in Amsterdam, popularizing Indonesian food in the capital and becoming an authority on Indonesian cooking. My parents took over the restaurant later and I took over in the 80s as a third generation restaurateur. I did it for nearly 5 years. Then I decided to close shop. It was time for a new chapter.

Cooking is an art

ETH: In your cookbook, you quote your grandmother saying „cooking is an art, you need to have a hand for it“. How did you discover that you have this hand?
Jeff: It’s part of my DNA. But it also helps when you grow up around people who love to eat and cook. This is actually how my grandmother and my mother learned it. You are raised with the taste. When you want to recreate this you start experimenting, you get some recipes and you develop into a chef. It’s all about tasting, your memory of the taste, and trial and error. Of course, nobody cooks better than my mom, but I come close.

mit freundlicher Genehmigung von Jeff Keasberry

mit freundlicher Genehmigung von Jeff Keasberry

ETH: You live in Los Angels now. What brought you there?
Jeff: The sun and lifestyle. And also part of my family lived there. There is a big Indo-Dutch community in and around L.A. The second largest colony of Indo-Dutch people and their offspring, migrated to USA from the Netherlands. Many went to California for the weather, I bet it has to do with the fact they were used to warmer climates.

ETH: Are there a lot of Indonesian restaurants in L.A.?
Jeff: Not at all. In the whole US there are about 55 Indonesian restaurants. To compare this figure – in L.A. alone there are 450 Thai restaurants.

ETH: So there is room for development!
Jeff: Indeed. I actively promote our culinary history here, because a lot of our community is much more detached from our culture than Indo-Dutch people in the Netherlands. I give cooking classes and I work on an English edition of my cookbooks.

ETH: Your first cookbook carries the title „Indische keukengeheimen“ which translates to Indo-Dutch Kitchen Secrets. What in your opinion is the secret of the „Indische keuken“?
Jeff: The term secret refers to a cooking style. Earlier in time, Indo-Dutch grandmothers and mothers with their secret recipes wanted to steal your heart through the stomach. But they would never reveal what made their cooking so special. So some would take their recipes with them to the grave. I think this is not the way to preserve a culinary heritage. Hence the title „Indische keukengeheimen“.

ETH: What in your opinion is the reason for this attitude?
Jeff: I think food is used as a way of getting to your heart. If they give you their recipe you gonna make it yourself and you’re not gonna come back. But that’s what they want you to do – come back.

ETH: So it’s an element of power to keep people close.
Jeff: Yes that’s exactly how I see it, but in a lovely way.

ETH: The first cookbook is a collection of your family recipes. The second book, which was published last year, is called „De nieuwe Indische keuken“. In this book, one can clearly see an Italian, Californian and Mexican influences. There is, for example, an Indo burrito. How important is the exposure to other culinary traditions for you?

Jeff: Indo-Dutch cuisine refers normally back to the good old times in the tropics. But times are changing, tastes are changing. My intention is to get it back on the board. In order for it to survive, we need to look at what is happening now, with respect for authentic tastes. This is part of the Indo-Dutch tradition. Wherever we would go we would also work with the local ingredients. Basically, we tap into our creativity and innovation.

Recreating „heimat“ through food

ETH: So food is a means to create „heimat“ through eating and at the same time assimilate with a new surrounding?
Jeff: Indo-Dutch cuisine belongs to the Indo-Dutch diaspora. Wherever there are people of Indo-Dutch descent, in the Netherlands, America, Australia, they cook in a way that’s creative and includes local ingredients or substitutes if the original is not available. Hence new dishes are created and the cuisine evolves. For example, in the Netherlands, we see street food and snacks like ‘nasi bal’ and ‘bami bal’ (deep fried rice and noodle balls). They are products of Indo-Dutch influence.

ETH: Will there be an English translation of the books?
Jeff: Yes. I am working on it right now. The English translation is going be a combination of both books. It’s scheduled for this winter season.

ETH: Last question. What is your favorite Dutch-Indo dish?
Jeff: Oh that’s difficult. I have many but what comes to my mind first is my mother’s meatloaf, her „frikadel pan“ as we say in Dutch. It has a European base but there are some spices in it that make it Indo-Dutch. I also like Gado Gado (mixed vegetable salad with peanut sauce) or my father’s Nasi Goreng (fried rice usually made from leftover rice and food of the previous day). I like simple food, comfort food. This is why I also feel a strong connection with Italian cuisine. It has the same honesty as our Indo-Dutch cuisine. An honesty which goes straight to the heart!

ETH: Jeff, thank you so much for this interview!

Mehr Infos über Jeff Keasberry findest du bei : keasberry.com


Jeff Keasberry: Indische keukengeheimen. Niederländisch. Karakter Uitgevers B.V.

Jeff Keasberry: De nieuwe Indische keuken van Jeff Keasberry. Niederländisch.
Karakter Uitgevers B.V. 2014.


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Foto Beitragstitelbild: Mark Chaudhary. Alle Bilder in diesem Post mit freundlicher Genehmigung von Jeff Keasberry.

2 Kommentare
  1. Endlich, endlich! Anfang der Achtziger habe ich bei seiner Oma und seinem Vater im Restaurant Djokjy Baru in Amsterdam als Kellner gearbeitet. Das war meine schönste Zeit in meinem Arbeitsleben. Seither liebe ich die indonesische Küche über alles.

    Ich hoffe, dass noch viele Deutsche und Schweizer die indonesische Küche kennen- und lieben lernen.

    • Das ist ja interessant. Danke für den Kommntar. Ich finde auch, die „indische keuken“ und die indonesische Küche haben eine fantatstische Vielfalt zu bieten!

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